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Posted 5/19/2008 11:16 AM


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Ok, with all the new dry yeasts available I wanted to make a thread with peoples thoughts on them. I am going to be trying some of them soon and will review when the beers are done. Here is some of the yeast:

Munton's Ale Yeast:Medium attenuation, low flocculation. Good all-purpose ale yeast.

Cooper's Ale Yeast: A good all-round yeast for a variety of ales. Produces complex woody, fruity esters at warm temperatures; reported to be more heat tolerant than other strains. Recommended fermentation temp: 65-75° F; medium attenuation and flocculation.

Lallemand Munich Wheat Beer Yeast: Strain used by a number of commercial breweries to produce Bavarian-style wheat beers. The propagation and drying processes have been specifically designed to deliver high quality beer yeast that can be used simply and reliably to help produce wheat beers of the finest quality. Quick start and vigorous fermentation, which can be completed in as little as 4 days above 17° C. Medium to high attenuation Non-flocculent strain; some settling can be promoted by cooling and use of fining agents and isinglass. Estery to both palate and nose with typical banana notes. Best used at traditional ale temperatures.

Windsor Ale Yeast: Danstar Windsor ale yeast originates in England. This yeast produces a beer that is estery to both palate and nose with a slight fresh yeasty flavor. These are usually described as full-bodied, fruity English ales. Depending on the substrate, the Windsor demonstrates moderate attenuation that will leave a relatively high gravity (density). Recommended 17° to 21°C (64° to 70° F) fermentation temperature range.

Nottingham Ale: The Nottingham strain was selected for its highly flocculent (precipitating) and relatively full attenuation (transforming sugar into alcohol) properties. It produces low concentrations of fruity and estery aromas and has been described as neutral for an ale yeast, allowing the full natural flavor of malt to develop. Good tolerance to low fermentation temperatures, 14°C (57°F), allow this strain to brew lager-style beer. Recommended 14° to 21°C (57° to 70°F) fermentation temperature range.

Safale S-04: A well-known English ale yeast, selected for its fast fermentation character and its ability to form a very compact sediment at the end of the fermentation, helping to improve beer clarity. This yeast is recommended for the production of a large range of ale beers and is specially well adapted to cask-conditioned ales and fermentation in cylindroconical tanks. High sedimentation. Recommended temperature range: 18-24°C (64-75°F).

Saflager S-23: The bottom fermenting yeast is widely used by Western European commercial breweries. This yeast develops the best of its fruity and estery lager notes when fermented at low temperatures (10°C-14°C) yet producing very good lager and pilsner beers at higher temperatures (16°C-20°C). Pitching rate: 80 g/hl to 120g/hl.

Saflager W-34/70: (I am trying this one) This famous yeast strain from Weihenstephan in Germany is used worldwide and has become the most popular strain for lager brewing. Clean and malty, suitable for a wide range of lager styles. Sedimentation: high. Final gravity: medium. Recommended fermentation temperature: 9.15° C (48-59° F), ideally 12° C (54° F)

Safbrew S-33: A general purpose, widely-used ale yeast with low sedimentation properties. This strain is extremely consistent, with excellent wort attenuation and a superb flavor profile

Safbrew T-58: A specialty ale yeast selected for its estery, somewhat peppery and spicy flavor. This yeast forms a solid sediment at the end of secondary fermentation, and is therefore widely used for bottle and cask conditioning.

Safale K-97: A German ale strain selected for its ability to form a large, firm head when fermenting. This top-cropping ale yeast is suitable for top fermented beers with low ester levels. Sedimentation: low. Final gravity: low. Recommended fermentation temperature: 15° C - 24° C (59° - 75° F).

Safale US-56: A dried American Ale strain with fermentation properties resembling that of Wyeast 1056 (American Ale) or White Labs WLP001 (California Ale). Produces well-balanced beers with low diacetyl and a very clean, crisp palate. Sedimentation is low to medium, and final gravity is medium.

Safbrew WB-06: (I am trying this one) The US release of this highly-anticipated dry yeast selected for wheat beer fermentations. WB-06 produces estery and phenol notes typical of Bavarian-style wheat beers. Flocculation: low Final gravity: high. Recommended fermentation temperature: 15C-24C (59-75F).

Brewferm Blanche: A dry Belgian wheat-style yeast. Flocculation: low. Attenuation: high. Ferments clean with little or no sulfur. Optimum temperature: 64°-73° F.

Brewferm Lager: A dry lager yeast. Flocculation: high. Attenuation: high. Ferments clean and malty. Optimum temperature: 50°-59° F.

If you have used the yeast and would like to post a review, just start the post off with the yeast used, and then some vitals such as : pitching rate, fermentation temperature, Start of fermentation (lag),  length of fermentation (days), and taste notes.

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Posted 5/19/2008 2:36 PM


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Nottingham ale yeast with Midwest Berlin Wheat recipe (partial mash).

Pitching rate-11 gms for 5-gallon batch

OG = 1.045

FG = 1.006

Fermentation started within 15 hours and was complete after 5 days.  Fermentation temp. not recorded but fermenter was kept in a water bath with change of ice blocks twice daily (Southern California is hot in August). Two weeks in secondary. Four weeks bottle conditioning.

Comments: Beer was crystal clear -apparently a characteristic of this highly flocculating yeast.  Very smooth taste, only slight fruitiness, wheat malt taste came through but not overpowering.  


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I brewed MW Winter Ale (grain) cut in half with 5 lbs. of 6 row each batch. The first I collected 5.25 gallons wort and did a full boil. The second (rainy) I collected 3.25 gallons wort and supplemented with 15 oz. corn sugar and did a 3.25 gallon boil. #1 I brewed with Muntons and #2 with Nottingham. Both used 1 oz Northern Brewer 60 1 oz Perle 10 1 oz German Select 2.

The Muntons batch is fuller flavored and richer accounting for the difference in process. The Nottingham batch is dry and crisp. Both quite hoppy and especially in the flavoring hops department.

I think the Nottingham is cleaner and more neutral. The muntons more fruity and winey and also a little 'bready'. The flavoring hops is more pronounced in the Nottingham perhaps due to less all malt flavor to contrast?

(Anyhow thats my closest to a head to head batch).
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I have an update on the Saflager W-34/70. Brewed my light lager a week ago OG 1.044, after exactly 7 days the gravity is at 1.023 at 56f. This yeast is SLOW, pitched 2 packets directly no starter (22 grams of yeast). Samples taste fine, no fruitiness detected.
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You say that the attenuation on Munton's ale is medium and Nottingham is full. So this tells me that a beer brewed with Muntons could turn out slightly sweeter but with less alcohol? Which is something I noticed on a Brewers Best IPA I did. I had one with the Nottingham which is what the kit came with and it seemed dry and not very exciting. I made the same kit again because my dad buoght another one and this time we ended up spilling the Nottingham and I used my Munton's back up pack. For me, the beer is much better. I guess I'm glad we spilled it.

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Posted 6/12/2008 9:53 AM
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Used 3 kinds of dry yeast.

Safale US-05, or us 56. I think these are the same. I really like US-05. Easy no nonsense and doesn't provide any flavors that I can detect. If you want you grain and hops to shine through this is probably the easiest yeast as all I do is drop a packet per 5 gallons on the fresh wort, and usually in a week it's ready. Temp usually doesn't matter in the 60F-70F range, but I have heard of a peachy flavors in higher temps. I haven't tasted this, but I've heard of it.

Muntons dry yeast(6grams)- Basic yeast that has never failed me, but I used this in my earlier exttract days. It worked, but it was hit or miss whether I made good beer. This could have been from other reasons, but sanitation has always been a strong point so it was either the yeast or the extract. If you use it I would use 2 packets per 5 gallons to reduce off flavors from underpitching. 

Nottingham dry yeast- Love this yeast, but I love english bitters and fuggles, EKG, willamette. Works well just pitchin on fresh wort.

 

 

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1) Safale US-05/56

Used with mini-mash Pumpkin Ale recipe. Pitched one pkg. (no starter) for 5 gal. No notes on OG and FG, as this was prior to my owning a hydrometer. Resulting beer had an extremely clean finish with little to no yeasty aftertaste. Fruity notes not apparent. This yeast was very neutral in flavor and impact on the beer. It did its job in fermenting and then quietly bowed out.

I also used this yeast for an APA, again pitching one pkg. per 5 gal., no starter. OG: 1.059, FG: 1.011; AA: 81%; RA: 66%. This time around, the resulting product had a little more yeasty aroma and flavor, but very little. The beer was still had an incredibly clean finish and a neutrality of yeast flavor.

I find this yeast to be very versatile and desirable for a wide range of beers. It might even be a good alternative to a proper wheat-beer yeast, as the Safbrew WB strain is a little too intense (see below).

2) Safbrew WB-06

This was used with an American Wheat (50% malted wheat, 50% domestic two-row). Pitched a package for 5 gal., no starter. OG: 1.051; FG: 1.008; AA: 84%; RA: 69%. Fermentation within 10 hrs., done in 3 days. There is a definite yeast flavor to this beer, not totally unpleasant but still somewhat overpowering. I detected slight esters (banana, some spice/clove) in the flavor profile only after a few months of aging, but nothing compared to other wheats I've had. This yeast is a full departure from Hefeweizen strains, and even from American wheats. It could depend on my grain bill, but the resulting beer was tart, high in alcohol content, and yeasty.

I think this strain still has a few bugs to be worked out. It probably works well in wheats with grain bills different from mine, but I'm still a little unconvinced of its workability in very basic wheats. This yeast is a little too intense for that purpose, and might be better suited to beers incorporating more caramel and other specialty malts.

3) Munton & Fison

I currently have a batch in secondary that makes use of this yeast. I'll post my results/review once I've taken final measurements.


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Wb06 is a straight hefe yeast. The esters you tasted are supposed to be there. If you want a neutral American wheat yeast go with 1010, or 1056/us05. On the other hand if you are looking to brew a hefe, you could use the same grain bill but do a rest at 111f for 15 minutes (furellic acid rest) you really get the cloves then.
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Well I am going to have to dump my first batch in over probably 300. The 34/70 did not go well. I kegged and carbonated it, and sampled some today. Fruity, hot, cidery, blech.. down right nasty. I have some more packets I will try for a second chance, but I don't know if I want to possibly ruin more beer to do it.

It took about 4-5 days to start, after a week at 56 gravity was stuck at 1.020. I raised the temp (something I never do) to 63 to see if it would start back up. Well it did, and after about another week and a half it left the beer at about 1.008, sample was actually pretty decent I thought (though it was at 63). I racked to a keg, crash cooled it and carbonated it. I highly doubt it picked up something in the keg, but I took a sample today and it was not good at all.

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Quote: Well I am going to have to dump my first batch in over probably 300. The 34/70 did not go well. I kegged and carbonated it, and sampled some today. Fruity, hot, cidery, blech.. down right nasty. I hav...

I'm wondering if this is their Dunkel yeast, even though it appears as a lager yeast.

Perhaps a warmer starting temperature followed by a slow drop to a lager temp? nNot really sure...I normally use all liquid yeasts and unlike you, I'm definately no lager expert. Worth a try I'd think though.

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